Also, when I went to Bass Pro for ammo, I could find my hunting ammo when there wasn’t a box of 6.5 to be seen. Awesome how the author compares a flat nose .308WIN to a BTHP 6.5 as if they are apples to apples. (at 300yds 1824 ft-lb v 1492 ft-lb) The B.C.’s were almost identical .42 (.308) and .468 (6.5). But past a couple hundred yards, there’s simply no contest; 6.5 flat-out dominates. 16X16 And as the range increases, so does the brutal domination. Holding Temperature:38-40 degrees, *2 dozen pkg Night Crawlers (bedding/dirt) After that, everything is a crapshoot (pardon the pun). pull it funny? I’ve seen other guys jump down to lower recoiling cartridges like the 6BR, and you know what? HUSBAND Nick Charman, 56, spent three months constructing the wooden replica of … I am not trying to argue the point that the 6.5Creedmoor is the superior long range caliber. Target shooting has no repercussions (other than losing). It was a medium caliber handgun. The live bait is purchased using a supply and demand methodology that allows for fresher bait to be delivered to our customers. In the 1,000-yard match-up between the 168 grain SMK .308 and the 147 grain ELD Match 6.5, the .308 drops 41.6% more, drifts 96.9% more (twice as much! Military Preparation-H; now mentholated with tacti-cooling action on contact! Dan….somethings is seriously messed-up with the comments. Big chunks of lead is what they use to kill mean black cows and yellows kitty cats in Africa. (500 Count) *Large Rosie Reds - 60 dozen per gallon By the pound: *Large Leeches 15-18 dozen per pound *Jumbo Leeches 10-12 dozen per pound What? But sheesh! And enough with the mule comments….. Sniping? Either way, though, both the .260 and 6.5 will blow the Velcro clean off a .308 shooter’s shoes at 1,400 yards. • At 1,000 yards with a 10 mph, full-value (perpendicular to bullet travel) crosswind, the .308 drifts 77.6 inches off course. Also, I have to agree with several of the previous commentators. As far as I can tell, that would mean almost identical barrel durability, wouldn’t it? Now if you build systems of personal protection you might want to consider a more common/compatible round. Barrel life is obviously not as good as .308 Win but much better than some here seem to believe. I do like my .308 battle rifle and it shoots well for what it is. Stream Of Consciousness - Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater) 8. Effective range of the 6.5 is 58% farther. Or you could just shoot 6.5 Creedmoor instead. Do you really think .04″ larger diameter entrance hole will make that much of a difference? Not seeing the usual branched format. Just saying. Match grade ammo and rifles, same model different caliber, were almost the same in price. With a Savage 99. That said, I really like just about everything about the 6.5 Creedmoor. Approximately 450-500 in a flat . Then the author asks why you would choose a bolt gun in .308. Everything else is just pretty colors. The .308 is the less forgiving, less powerful, less humane hunting caliber compared to the 6.5CM. I’ll leave that to the military/LE experts, as that’s outside my wheelhouse. Same point of impact. It was a medium caliber centerfire rifle etc. When can I buy that Hill Country .270, the Kimber Montana .308 and the McMillan .308. *Musky Suckers (10-14â) Nice try, but no dice…. But the argument isn’t about what’s good enough. It's … If that is all you do get a 6.5. Jeremy touches on it in the article, but, essentially, dismisses it. I have one too. The 6.5s are getting into “overbore” territory where the case volume and bore area are at a ratio where throat erosion and barrel life are affected. I have too much 308 to even think about 6.5 until things normalize and I find a damn job. Dyspeptic, all three of those calibers are in my rifle battery. 1. 37X3. While porky .308 is about 250 ft-lbs of energy more powerful at the muzzle, a match 6.5 CM load has already surpassed a match .308 load’s retained energy after only 160 yards of flight. No skimping either, I don’t drink that scorched Starbucks garbage. No that’s an actual very popular competition caliber. So the thousands of rds of ammo stockpiled for my HK-91 and M-1 (rebarreled) will feed them also. The Swedes do it all the time with the 6.5×55 Swedish cartridge. However, 6.5 Creedmoor was still the clear winner for a handful of reasons, including vastly larger commercial market and manufacturer adoption plus the important ability to load longer projectiles within a cartridge overall length that still fits in an SR-25/.308 magazine. And if their eyes are going bad, nothing more than a 4 power scope. 72 in a case Is it already forgotten in favor of 6.5 CM (or is it now the newer 6 CM, or maybe the even newer 6 PRC, or…)? For long range out to 1000+yds sure but hunting Elk, not sure I would trust it especially on a shoulder shot. thats cool. Unless, of course, your ammo is provided by someone else, or you are rich enough that you can afford to spend more on ammo than you have willingness/desire to actually shoot. I, uh, acquired a Savage 110 in that caliber, and it hits hard and where I point it. A 6.5mm gunwith only 308 ammo is useless. In fact, the bullet went transonic at about 900 yards. I heartily disagree. One recently bought a 6.5 C. One. If I was buying one or the other it would be .308. (50 Count) I think the hype for 6.5 CM is supported by the stats…for target shooting or perhaps sniping. He lives outside of Austin, TX. I used Hornady’s online Ballistic calculator and compared two Barnes Bullets in .308 and 6.5. *Small Fathead Tuffys - 80-90 dozen per gallon Because Beirut has a well-deserved reputation for ‘accommodating’ such shipments. Leeches. While bullet drop is easy enough to calculate for a given target distance, the at least 30% flatter trajectory of 6.5 gives you far more room for error in your range estimations. Know yourself, your rifle, the weather and all the other factors before making the shot. 50 Styrofoam in a case The 6.5 CM is rated for a higher maximum pressure but .260 Rem has slightly (1.9%) more powder capacity. In an emergency my Ruger American hunting rifle can throw M80 ball all day to keep me and mine alive and free! Heavier recoil, and more wind reading is just the ticket to becoming a better long range shooter. I’ve heard on here, from gunsmiths, and from users, barrel life of the 6.5 CM is a maximum of about 3000-3500 rounds and peak accuracy for about half that. Holding Temperature: 34-36 degrees, *Multi-Colored Spikes The 6.5 drifts 62.6 inches. Want a cup? Pick the bullet or bullet spectrum you want to launch. Did you flinch on that last shot? So…a lot like a 6.5 Swede in a modern rifle, but more efficiently packaged? This 6.5 is going almost 50% faster at 1,000 yards and has 94.2% more kinetic energy than this .308. I dont expect a switch anytime soon. Me shoot a rifle at a target a thousand yards away. Haven’t taken the 6.5 hunting. I own both and pretty much only shoot .22lr. Because USSOCOM (U.S. Special Operations Command) found that, as compared to flat-footed .308 (specifically M118LR, the military’s best long-range .308 load), 6.5 Creedmoor doubles snipers’ hit probability at 1,000 meters, increases effective range by at least a third, increases energy on target by 50%, reduces the effect of wind by 40%, and has at least 30% less recoil, they will begin converting their .308 Win MK110A1 and Mk20 rifles to 6.5 CM in 2019 (see here and here). In hindsight, I think we now agree that small arms development is too important to be left in the hands of government bureaucrats and rent-seeking military contractors. 308 and the 168 bthp is still and will be a benchmark round for precision work, that isnt going to change anytime soon with the advent of better rounds. That’s 0.013″ larger? Coulda been a fertilizer incident from the size of the explosion. What could go wrong? Jeff Cooper said it best. I dont know why I took the bait. https://imgur.com/MTabJKI (and this is for lower 415MPa CIP pressures in the 308Win). In 2020, I don’t see much long range concern. Russian Olive Trees Are Leeches. The other is 6.5 CM. Barrel life is excellent. The debate is silliness. I … Calibers are like aholes, there are enough to go around, choose what you feel is best for you. Ask the WWII Japanese how having what, 3 7.7 rounds and 2 or 3 6.5mm rounds worked for them, or even the Italians with their 6.5 and 7.35, had to abandon the 7.35. 2500 per case, 6 ounce Cups & Lids (clear) “North of 2,000 rounds through a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel and you’ll be looking at 8″ groups at 500 yds.”. Any company can produce a bad example. And still, the smaller diameter bullets penetrate better. Btw the .350 legend may not be widely adopted, but it has a definite role for some like me that like .35 cal rounds. Living Streams I’m pretty sure Jeremy S. Doesnt take it too seriously. Let’s take a look at the Hornady rounds provided in Jeremy’s article. (1,000 Count) Jump To: 5 Best Aerated Bait Buckets Compared ... the Frabill Aerated Bucket is a great cheap bait saver for keeping a few dozen minnows alive over your weekend fishing trips. Impressive indeed. But, with the .308 making its debut in the 1950s, its been around a while, and many older guns can be converted to it, if need be, and in emergency circumstances, with a chamber insert. And so is the .243SLR, which is the .243 with a Creedmoorish shoulder. You can read and stat to to death but it’s meaningless because of the numerous factors. Vented Printed Lids (As shown above) The 6.5 makes a difference in wind at any range, and makes a real difference even at common iron sight hunting ranges. OK, you’ve made your point; I concede that 6.5CM is better than 308. Pre mixed Bedding That 6.5 shoots well, but not any better or worse than the others. Common uses: leeches, spikes, wax worms, 8 ounce Cups & Lids Panfish leeches are available by special order only. 42â handle Exactly. Now, there are many other factors that go into dropping a large animal. Now, that’s one of the very best case scenarios on the commercial market for .308 Winchester. Ill bet you own a Rock Island 1911 too. Pond Stocking No doubt, 6.5 is a “better” round, but I don’t own any 6.5s because I know my 308’s through and through. Right now, the military pinheads are spouting nonsense about “overmatch” requirements in small arms – most of which could be met on paper by going back to a 1903A3 rifle with a scope on it. I can’t even see anything a thousand yards away. Vented plain lids only the more i read about early swiss and/ or mauser rounds the more i think we’ve been suckin’ hind titty. I’ll concede 6.5 C is ballisticly superior at long range. My point, recently i watched a test on ar 500 steel of everything from a .22 to a 338, there was no 6.5 used but follow me here, the only round that penetrated the steel was a high bc, high sd .243 round. I don’t believe in game hunting beyond 400 yards, and believe the best shots are within 200 yds. No horse in the race otherwise, unless logistics and/or battle rifles are the topic. Count the seconds between the explosion and how loud the *boom* was that many miles away. "The old Metropole," brooded Mr. Wolfshiem gloomily. The author may have been factually correct, but his style of writing was juvenile. Visiting GunBroker.com tonight, I see ~64 SCAR 20s models chambered in NATO 7.62x51mm for sale, and NO units of the Creedmoor model. I do have a 308 Ruger Scout – that is stupendous ….. love that rifle. Lots of game has been taken with a 130 grain bullet, but IMO, the old-fashioned bullet designs in 130 are too frangible. And if their eyes are going bad, nothing more than a 4 power scope. Impressive recording, clean sound : https://twitter.com/timourazhari/status/1290666778255908866, The Drive has more : https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/35363/gigantic-explosion-and-shockwave-rips-through-beiruts-port, I just heard about the Beirut Blast. Medium Golden Shiners - 25-30 dozen per gallon Counts per gallon are approximate. If you actually read the article, he compared the best precision .308 rounds available to the exact same rounds for the 6.5 CM and still found the 6.5 outperformed the .308 in every category. Could it be that real world terminal performance beat out the first round hit ability of the 6.5? Slow news day for Dan & staff? If one is on the fence…like I am…what should I be looking for in a 6.5 CM? Another, not so well discussed benefit of the high bc 6.5 rounds is its very high sectional density, that gives it much more penetration than a 308. It appears at hunting ranges under 400 yards the .308 and 6.5 drop and drift the same however the .308 has much more energy than the 6.5. 5 costs $140 a round. In the USSOCOM testing, .260 and 6.5 went head-to-head and were found to perform identically in every aspect from reliability in a semi-auto to accuracy and ballistics. I can't forget so long as I live the night they shot Rosy Rosenthal there. Minimum velocity loss and accuracy still 1/2 to 3/4 moa at 500 metres. Non vented lids I doff my smelly, sweaty hat to you, kind sir! .44/.45 caliber. Best caliber. Ask your local bait shop about the availability of these items if they do not have them in stock *1 dozen large package leeches *1 dozen Jumbo package leeches. Case capacity is many times more as well. Why, you may ask? With solid bullets designed NOT to expand. Good ’nuff imho. If so you are very good. A bad hit is a bad hit regardless of caliber. Home Holding Temperature: 38-40 degrees, Red Trout Wormsâ30 per container Not talking about hunting, Talking about precision work, 6.5 has it hands down. They are scarce. Anton Solomyr Cheap, less recoil, less drop, etc…. The nearest that I came to actual possession was when I bought the Hollowell place, and had begun to sort my seeds, and collected materials with which to make a wheelbarrow to carry it on or off with; but before the owner gave me a deed of it, his wife--every man has such a wife--changed her mind and wished to keep it, and he offered me ten dollars to release him. Probably double the life of the creed. Im probably biased, but I primarily shoot my 6.5 Creedmoor… However, I do own a 308 because based on all the responses to these types of threads, I know theres going to be metric sh**load of it lying around once I’ve killed all the neckbeards LARPing around my neighborhood when SHTF… . I take most deer with a handgun cartridge and have never had to trail one. Also enjoyed your mb tests. 308’s typically get a barrel life of 6-10,000 rounds depending on firing schedule. William J. to the white Creedmoor phone, please… :)”. (1,000 count) (1,000 count) Port owners, or officials in whatever serves as their port authority were under house arrest according to what I read. Because either my math sucks, or you’re mistaking “% of retained initial retained energy” with actual overall kinetic energy. Do you have a rifle chambered in 6.5 CM? My working rifles and ammo stockpiles are in NATO calibers for reasons of cost and availability. Kinda like how thedrive.com does weekends? (I should know, I *excel* at clumsy humor! LOL….My bench rifle is a Savage .308 and will hold sub-moa if I do my job right. Geez guys, it was meant to be different and funny, not everything has to be written the same way. I said 800 yards because of all the long range hype today. if true, I wonder how 6.5 would compare in that regard. I live in Portland, and the homeless here are not going hungry. There you have it, dull old .308 on the left. In .308. Was it fireworks? These fishing reports provided by the KAB Outdoors staff, cusotmers and guests, cover the 2020 fishing season. Read the latest research in zoology. With 6.5’s being more of a niche round. I took a couple dozen white tail with one last season. Apparently there are few things chambered in it in this neck of the woods. Yeah… Definitely, mostly this. So what happened with .350 Legend? This is also .308 necked down to .264 caliber, but .260 Rem retains the same shoulder profile and its resultant longer case length. Common uses: 2 dozen packaged night crawlers, spikes, 16 ounce Cups & Lids This article is a reprint and it’s meant to be tongue in cheek. If you really want to get a clean shot at that heart, that’s a real difference. In target shooting, however, there is simply no comparison in performance, that is 100% to the 6.5 CM. Oh, what could have been – if only we had adopted the 6.5×55 Swede instead of the .30-06. So, it will be better at taking down game when the bullets of each are producing the same energy. All comments are being posted in the “first tier” column, even the replies. Leeches are blood-suckers that are attracted to their prey by movement, temperature, and carbon dioxide. Think .22lr vs .223. That’s a 178 grain .308 Winchester and a 143 grain 6.5 Creedmoor. 1. Not to 6.5 levels, mind you, but vastly improved over even very good designs like the Sierra MatchKing used as an example load for some of the calculations above. 308. I have in the past. In the air bells, leeches swim across the water and prey on earthworms. Hopeless romantic told to pull down Eiffel Tower replica he built for wife. As were the graphics. But the 6.5 is doing 1,492.7 fps. The same goes for and even more the 6.5. Same bullet. So unless you're going for a hunt where you're shooting an animal from one mountain-top to another or something like that, I fail to see this vast "performance gap" between these two cartridges in the hunting realm. *Large/Mag Fathead Tuffys - 50-60 dozen per gallon Always the rifleman, not the rifle (or cartridge. Where I hunt in SC it’s 50 miles to the nearest one. The development of the 6.8 round derailed the progress, so 16 years later it is good to see good ideas are still kicking around the halls of SOCOM. Suckers (Odds) (8-10â) - 2 ½ - 3 dozen per gallon The article makes the distinction that the 160yrd marker denotes the “retained” energy, but doesn’t mean the .308Win is overall lower energy at that point. Hang on, sorry, not done yet! Pick a number of countries to split into, and divide the resources/land equally. 21st Century Schizoid Man - Michael Giles (King Crimson) 7. The 6.5 Creedmoor may be better, but not enough to buy a new rifle. I post this article with a sense of ambivalence, since, notwithstanding the author’s boldness and originality of thought, his proposal presents grave practical difficulties which in my view he deals with only superficially. Gene. “How are people gonna know who we’re making fun of?”. Because it’s stupid. If you really want high BC you need to look at 7mm. A proposal to divide the United States into two countries (Note: here is Jeffersonian’s greatly expanded version of his proposal.). Some items are seasonal. Regardless I’ll be staying with 308 Winchester and am currently trying to find the most accurate load for the Hornady 178 GR ELD-X using IMR 4064 vs the Sierra 175 GR HPBTMK. At closer ranges. Fancy esoteric rifles in niche calibers will not. “Veni, vidi, vici, which means “I came, I saw, I conquered”- William Shakespeare’s “Julius Caesar”. I got a borescope for Christmas last year, and took a peek at the throat of my varmint rifle. 72 in a case I’ve always seen .308 as an all around general purpose useful hunting and battlefield defense round. Elk (and larger) game has been taken for many decades with the .270 Winchester with a 150 grain bullet. Folks here arguing about 1st world issues. Other places it can be further. Is it something in the ratio of cross-sectional density of the copper-jacketed lead ‘pill’ and the bore diameter chosen? In addition, countless caribou/reindeer have been taken with 6.5 caliber bullets in Europe over the past 100 years. Well yeah….he’s funny as shit if you dint take it too seriously. If you want to go 6.5 CM, then by all means do so. Well, 6.5 Creedmore is definitely mechanically superior, so it certainly isn’t that; taken by itself, 6.5 Creedmore is better. I hope you enjoy shooting your 6.5CMs, and are able to derive a real benefit from them. It was a photograph of half a dozen young men in blazers loafing in an archway through which were visible a host of spires. I expect the trash talking in the comments section, not the damn article. Slightest error and you have a gut shot animal. I am a Savage fan but is there better to be had at a reasonable price starting out? Common uses: 2 dozen packaged night crawlers, spikes, Bait Tanks In reality it’s cause the .308 is the older gun so I don’t feel as bad about beating it up on a hunt. We’ll have to do some testing, though, to see if a deer or elk at point blank range can tell the difference between 2,400 ft-lbs and 2,650 ft-lbs. Any information would be appreciated. “How does the 6.5 do in terms of barrel life?”. So closing this ballistic gap is much harder than just upping one’s ammo game. As I understand it, not as well as .308, but not as abysmal as some of those super-hot rounds out there. Clearly he has no knowledge of reloading, ballistics, or even shooting. They do what I need them to do. If you’re seeking accuracy and/or hunting with quality ammo and don’t plan on going out and dumping rounds downrange, there’s no cost savings to be had with .308. I started shooting Tac division in PRS, and found it far more fun to shoot than Open division. oh Brother! Common uses: Leeches, spikes, wax worms, 8 ounce Cups & Lids (clear) The argument is about what is better.”. Baldrick is the only character besides Blackadder himself to appear in all instalments of the series, and can arguably be seen as Blackadder's best friend despite Blackadder's apparent contempt for him. They keep getting worse with time, because they get lazy with recoil management and wind calls. With more people than ever relying on WiFi, the hunger for open, fast WiFi networks is real. I think at one point in history last year TTAG crew debated the next bestest military round, and out of the available options at the time, many people picked the 6.5 Grendel… Well the 6mmArc is just very much like a Grendel+, doesn’t beat the 6.5CM but it exceeds .308/7.62Nato for sure. Not only is 6.5CreedMOAR ballistically superior, it also melts snowflakes at 1000 miles just by being mentioned. That’s 24% more wind drift from the .308. They meet or exceed DNR and DATCP requirements. not much difference at 200yds, or even 400. Maybe this was just his way of subtly pulling our leg and priming the cannons of the comments section. But amidst all the hoopla and braggadocio from Team Creedmore regarding this magical laser-beam-trajectory cartridge that allows for 1000+ yd shots, no ethical hunter would ever be taking a shot beyond 400 yds. I always theorized that the caliber of choice for the bush wars was .308 because of resistance to deflection by branches and underbrush. Bait Nets Holding Temperature: 38-40 degrees, Wax Worms I will switch when it comes time to rebarrel, but I won’t go make a special purchase just to get one. 100 in a case or I know you called 6.5 a hipster fad — there’s a small chance (~100%) that I did, too — and it’s hard to eat your own words, but it’s time to man up and neck down. Kinda like a LGBTQ Studies Department at a religious university. .338 Lapua, baby. Yep; .308. — 8.86 feet vs 4.5 feet), and goes transonic at just 63.2% of the distance as the 6.5. Anyone (not saying you, just saying ‘anyone’) who insists on taking long range shots so they can have a great story to take home to his buddies at the risk of the animal’s humane death needs to re-think his purpose. The amount of development, refinement, obsessive testing and effort poured into the .30-06 -> .308 -> something else progression would have resulted in a 6.5 master cartridge by now, probably pushing a super-low-drag 150 grain projectile. All for the Rowland conversion on an FNX Tactical for the simple reasons of cap & power once all this Rona Run craziness subsides. To put things into perspective – the 6.5 is not some tiny miracle round:
How To Screw Into Aluminum, Wood Group Timesheet Login, Urusei Yatsura Dance, What We Find, Sweden Government Type Socialist, Warhammer Vermintide 2 Gameplay 2020, He Contacted Me After 1 Month, Birthday Rap Songs 2020, The Dod Fire Emergency Services Certification Program Look Up Website,
